14 Baktun: Vatican Astronomer Jose Funes Says Pope's Phosphate Excrement Per Earth Orbit Can Predict Coming Collapse
by Tony Ryals
When contacted by phone and asked if the pope fit the average human statistic of approximately a pound and a half or a bit over half a kilo of phosphates excreted from his body every year or earth orbit, Reverend Vatican Priest-Astronomer Jose Funes responded rather irritatedly,'Well,after all he is only human.....' However some may doubt that humaness in light of the rfact that he was a Nazi soldier,no matter what the excuse.
How many believe Jesus would have become a Nazi soldier no matter what the social pressure.Putting the lie to any excuse regarding that fact is the fact that after being an unrepentent Nazi soldier he actually headed the Catholic Church's historic Nazi equivalent - the Office of the Inquisition which is now called Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith! This was the very office that put Galileo on trial for his belief that the earth orbited the sun ! And that anyone knows one one of their least repressive acts in light of the untold number of 'souls' the tortured and burned at the stake over the centuries.The office of the Inquisition that Cardinal Ratzinger aka Pope Benedict headed was in every way just like the worst of Nazi 'philosophy' only, thank gawd, with less murderous technology at its disposal !
In personal communication with me Pope Benedict's Vatican astronomer, Argentine Rev.Jose Funes has acknowledged that ex Nazi soldier and ex head of the Catholic Church's historic organ of the Inquisition Joseph Ratzinger aka Pope Benedict XVI,now known as Pope Benedict XVI,is indeed full of it,although he didn't exactly phrase it in exactly that manner.I had contacted him with a query regarding a message I had put into the hands of the Catholic Church's Pro Nunciate in the 1980's when he came to Monterey,California to promote the beatification of Junipero Serra that was titled,'The Pope's Misconceptions about Conception and science history'' that was published a few years later as an editorial in the U.C. Berkely Daily Californian in 1987 a few days after Pope John Paul II's visit to San Francisco. At the time I was unaware of his previous life in Argentina and that he himself had blood on his hands and colluded with the very pro U.S.and Iraeli Argenine Generals who had aided them in torture and drug trafficking in Central America in what would become known as Iran-Contra as well as sat silent while innocent and pregnant young wqomwn in Argentina accused of being 'communists' would be held as pregant prisinors to be fattened for the birth to give their babies to elite far right military connected familes and then no longer useful 'baby machines' to be slaughtered and disappeared , oten with thei bodies disposed of by dropping from planes or helicopters into the Atlantic Ocean.
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analyzed Holocene lake sediments cored from 4 basins) indicate that. Peten soils lost perhaps a third of their phosphorus stock as. Maya-generated colluvium.
For each orbit of the earth round the sun,
half a kilo of soil phosphates are consumed by everyone,
in only a few decades out mined Forida phosphates will be depleted
while Aquinas' four element mistake goes unheaded, - from 'Pope Poem' by Tony Ryals,1985
The Mayan Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns
From London Daily Mail :
The Vatican’s top astronomer has some assurances to offer - the world won’t be ending in eight days, despite predictions to the contrary.
Father Jose Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, said that 'it’s not even worth discussing' doomsday scenarios based on the Mayan calendar that are flooding the Internet ahead of the purported December 21 apocalypse.
The 45-year-old Jesuit priest who is head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to
Pope Benedict gave the assurances in Wednesday’s Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore
Romano.He acknowledged that the Universe was slowly expanding but that the destruction of the Earth – if it ever does occur – will not happen for billions of years. But he said Christians profoundly believe that 'death can never have the last word.'
The Mayan Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. The Mayans wrote that the significant 13th Baktun ends December 21.
A few years ago Father Funes said that extraterrestrial life was a valid area of investigation for the Catholic Church.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247389/Vatican-astronomer-rubbishes-predictions-Mayan-apocalypse.html#ixzz2FFEtYYYR
The Daily Mail or Vatican Priest-Astronomer Jose Funes may as well have said that our western or Gregorian calendar 'predicts' that New Years Day will occur on January 1.2013.And indeed whatwe call 'New Years Day' will occur precisely on that date.A brilliant 'prediction' wouldn't you say ? The article as you can see quoted bove states,'The Mayans wrote that the significant 13th Baktun ends December 21' and of course according to their calender indeed it does and is a quite accurate indeed but it 'predicts' nothing except the end of 13 Baktun and the beginning of 14 Baktun ! It's a calendar for gawds sake and NOT an astrological reading !In fact as a measurement of the Mayan Long Count it is so accurate that it can be mathematically corelated to our calander and we call that date December 21,2012 - nothing more and nothing less.Both are calenderic measurements that correspond to dates,future or past. However even more bizar about all this emphasis on the END of 13 Baktun when of the two or so archeological site that make reference to 13 Baktun at all nothing in the mention pertains to any particular occurance at that time whatsoever and why anyone would expect it to be precisely on the last day of 13 Baktun is even funnier.13 Baktun began 294 years ago and the reference to 13 Baktun at those archeological could and probably did perrtain to the beginning of 13 Baktun 294 + years ago and not the last day which will be the beginning 14 Baktun !
Nevermind the Apocalypse: Earliest Mayan Calendar Found ...
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10 May 2012 – The oldest-known version of the Mayan calendar has been ... "There was a lot more to the Maya calendar than just 13 baktuns," Stuart said.Dendera Decoded - A Synopsis
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4 Jan 2011 – The DZ registers the oldest known calenderic date, 4241 BCE. ... The World Ages measured in the Zodiac provide the ultimate key to the ...From London Daily Mail:
The 45-year-old Jesuit priest who is head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict gave the assurances in Wednesday’s Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano.
He acknowledged that the Universe was slowly expanding but that the destruction of the Earth – if it ever does occur – will not happen for billions of years.
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Above Priest-Astronomer Jose Funes acknowledges that that destruction of the earth itself is many years or as even the Catholic Church accepts it,many earth orbits away.However and for that very reason the church is contributing to the extinction of humanity many many millions of years or earth orbits ahead of that time.You can review the essay that I wrote in 1981 in reponse to Pope John Paul II's claim that birth control was unneccessary because 'modern agriculture' would provide unlimited food for a growing human population.Basically I point out that the church's teaching of Aristotle's four elements,'earth,air,water and fire' has come unglued since the discovery of atoms and he showed himself to be as confused regarding the movement of atoms into and through and out of himself and his parishioners as the pope in Galileo's time was about the movement of the stars and planets and other celestial bodies.Only that while taking ovrer 300 years to pardon Galileo for suggexting to them that the earth was in orbit around the sun and that each year equaled one orbit as Galileo's German colleague Johanes Kepler proved - the present pope(s) did not have another 300 years or earth orbits to realise that the collpse of 'modern agriculture' could be predicted based upon the mined depletable phosphates that the pope consumed in his food and excreted into the sewage system of Rome alone !
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247389/Vatican-astronomer-rubbishes-predictions-Mayan-apocalypse.html#ixzz2FFLxtnBO
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http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=77824
As for fears that the world is coming to an end, Fr José Funes of the Vatican’s astronomical observatory says “not yet”, while affirming that no one should worry about the “prophecies” of a Mayan end-of-the-world scenario. “According to the prophecy, there will be an alignment of the planets and the Sun with the center of the Milky Way as well as an inversion of the Earth’s magnetic poles. It is not the trouble to debate the scientific basis of these affirmations,” said Funes, “which are obviously false.”
Nonetheless, Funes noted that a 2003 trip to the Mayan ruins at Copán in Honduras showed him that the ancient Mayas were indeed very astute observers of the heavens. According to Funes, the Mayas were not interested in whether or not the Sun was the center of the cosmos. They were more interested in finding “a repeating design of past observations that could be reproduced in the future, given that in that culture time had a cyclical and repetitive dimension.”
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Considering the power of intellect displayed by the Mayan civilization,it is wrong for the Catholic priest and astronomer Funes to make claims for what Mayan intellectuals might or might not be interested in.In my opinion had a Mayan Johanes Kepler appeared with an astrolabe and the abilty to use it and make correct interpretations and proofs with it that the the earth and other planets,such as Venus that was perceived to be a star,did indeed orbit the sun and furthermore its orbit was elliptical,his observtions would have been incorporated into the Mayan astronomic view and a revised view of astronomy and perhaps even religion might have followed.However the Mayan priests who controlled astronomy as part of their religion may indeed have rebelled and gone for the Mayan Kepler's jugular or heart just as Jose Funes' Catholic astronomer priests went for Galileo's jugular.
In both cases religious mythology and its priests dictated and in many ways hindered science as much as they supported it.I n the case of Galileo Jusuit priests not only refuted Galileo by reading the dogmatic and unscientific view of the ancient Greek Aristotle tht the universe was composed of five elements - earth air fire and water being the less pure elements down here on earth and the moon that mixed and intermingled with one another as a result of their impurity -and the fifth element that composed the statrs and planets and was a pure elment that didn't mix or intermigle or have contact with the lowlier four.But even more detrimental to Galileo was the Catholic priestly argument that the Bible backed them up against him,citing Biblical verse in order to pressure the pope to go for Galileo's jugular or heart.:
Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the ...
Considering the probable fact that Mayan priests like their Catholic counterparts had their own religious views and dogmas to protect, which to them also well trancended truth or fact, it is quite possible that they might have been antagonistic to a Mayan Kepler presenting irrrefutable proof of the earth's orbit around the sun as the Catholic priests of Rome were to espousing the same belief and even more so considering that Galileo unlike Kepler didn't really have any proof whatsoever.Nonetheless Galileo's telecopic observation of the the waxing and waning of Venus just as moon waxed and waned was certainly enough in itself to destroy Aristotle's dogma about srars and planets being composed of a 'fifth element'.This waxing and waning or monthly phases of the moon was why Aristotelians, including Jesuits,included the moon as 'down here in the center'of the universe and like earth to be also composed of the lrss pure four elements - earth,air,water and fire..........
Considering the power of intellect displayed by the Mayan civilization,it is wrong for the Catholic priest and astronomer Funes to make claims for what Mayan intellectuals might or might not be interested in.In my opinion had a Mayan Johanes Kepler appeared with an astrolabe and the abilty to use it and make correct interpretations and proofs with it that the the earth and other planets,such as Venus that was perceived to be a star,did indeed orbit the sun and furthermore its orbit was elliptical,his observtions would have been incorporated into the Mayan astronomic view and a revised view of astronomy and perhaps even religion might have followed.However the Mayan priests who controlled astronomy as part of their religion may indeed have rebelled and gone for the Mayan Kepler's jugular or heart just as Jose Funes' Catholic astronomer priests went for Galileo's jugular.
In both cases religious mythology and its priests dictated and in many ways hindered science as much as they supported it.I n the case of Galileo Jusuit priests not only refuted Galileo by reading the dogmatic and unscientific view of the ancient Greek Aristotle tht the universe was composed of five elements - earth air fire and water being the less pure elements down here on earth and the moon that mixed and intermingled with one another as a result of their impurity -and the fifth element that composed the statrs and planets and was a pure elment that didn't mix or intermigle or have contact with the lowlier four.But even more detrimental to Galileo was the Catholic priestly argument that the Bible backed them up against him,citing Biblical verse in order to pressure the pope to go for Galileo's jugular or heart.:
Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the ...
- bible.cc/joshua/10-13.htmKing James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written ...
Apologetics Press - Did the Sun Stand Still?
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Scriptural References Relevant to the Trial of Galileo
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muse.tau.ac.il/museum/galileo/interpretation.htmlOn what did Galileo base his claim that the theory does not contradict Scripture? ...And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged ... The sun's movement is mentioned in other places in the Bible too: In the first ...
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In fact the priestly view of of Maya was indeed exactly that of the Catholic priests and Aristotelians in their dogmatic view of an earth centerd universe!:
Ancient Maya Astronomy
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The Maya believed that the Earth was the center of all things, fixed and immovable. The stars, moons, sun and planets were gods: their movements were seen ...........
Even the ancient Greeks like their Mayan counterparts had a Sun God - Helios.And by the very deinition of that god driving a chariot across the sky he is both a militaristic god and his very action of movement across the sky means that in Greek mythology just as in Mayan - and Jewish or Christian mythology - the sun is perceived to be in motion relative to a stationary earth.While Mayan and Greek mythology are more alike in having gods who are the sun or do its moving - the Jews and Christians sharing the same mythology give their monotheistic god the magical powers to move the sun 'at a distance' or in certain cases to stop its movement all together which is also the case for Moslems and Mormons who share the very same monotheistic god of Jews and Christians in their mythologies as well.
Helios - The Greek Sun God
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I have also learned that anonymous members of the Ponifical Academy of Sciences,(coincidentally since Pietro Redondi found, buried deep in Vatican archives, a complaint against Galileo made by Jesuits who were leading the Catholic Church's hate campaign against Galileo and pressuring Pope Pius to throw the book or the Bible at him for his audacity in presuming the earth orbited the sun,that Galileo among his other 'sins' was also an 'atomist' and although, like his belief that the earth orbited the sun, he had provided no proofs were either belief),secretly had the pope's toilet directed away from the main Vatican sewage line and ran it to a labotatory a short distance from the pope's bedroom where they confirmed that the pope in accordance with the average male of the species excreted from his body approximately or a bit above a pound and a half of phosphates per year or,as Galileo would phrased it, per earth orbit .The measurement was in fact so precise that the pope's could indeed be used like an hour glass if samples of his excreted phosphate, taken daily, were measured.And of course if the lab tecnicians measured a pound and a half or a bit more phosphate in the pope's excrement they could actually and were actually measuring the passage of one year or one orbit of the earth around the sun without need of other devices such as calanders or clocks !
Surprisingly although Peitro Redondi in his book,Galileo Heratic',that revealed his discovery of the complaint against Galileo for his belief in atoms,Redondo never discused how modern atomic and molecular chemistry
could now allow us to quantify the flow of atoms through the pope's and everybodies bodies per year or as the Catholic Church now accepts,per earth orbit and because this phosphate was derived from mining limited reserves of phosphates in Florida and Idaho and Morocco and China,etc.,could actually be used to predict the collpse of modern agiculture perhaps within only a few decades of the coming Mayan Baktun 14 !
Ratzinger exposed in detail
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Apr 24, 2005 – Video~ German Cardinals refuse to shake Pope's hand; Video~ Child sex abuse: moves to put the ... Pope Benedict XVI falls asleep during mass ... AndCardinal Joseph Ratzinger who heads the office of Inquisition that Pope John Paul II re-
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CUTTING A DEAL WITH THE INQUISTION
In ''Galileo Heretic'' Pietro Redondi, a researcher at the French National Council for Scientific Research, has shown little patience with the traditional account of Galileo's prosecution. Indeed, he peremptorily claims that apologists of the church and historians alike have lost 350 years fighting over a well-planned deception by the Pope, the Holy Office and Galileo himself. Copernicanism was not the true issue in Galileo's trial, according to Mr. Redondi; far more serious accusations were made against the scientist, of such a nature that Galileo himself accepted the relatively mild condemnation of being a supporter of Copernicus rather than face the danger of being burned as a heretic.
Mr. Redondi's story is brilliantly told in a style that admirers of Umberto Eco's novel, ''The Name of the Rose,'' will undoubtedly appreciate, even though at times this English translation appears unable to capture the sparkling tone of the Italian. It begins with the discovery by Mr. Redondi in 1982 of a document relating to ''The Assayer'' in the files of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, usually called the Holy Office. In it an anonymous contemporary informer claimed that the brilliant pamphlet contained a defense of atomism that could be used by Protestants who disputed the church's doctrine of transubstantiation - the changing of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. The accusation, Mr. Redondi claims, was one of extreme gravity in the tense atmosphere of Counter-Reformation theology. The Council of Trent in the 16th century had defined the Eucharistic doctrine in Aristotelian terminology. As Mr. Redondi convincingly argues, the debate over the theory of the Eucharist and the real presence of Christ in the Sacrament came to involve theologians and natural philosophers alike. Roman Catholic theologians, defending the doctrine of the real presence, insisted on the acceptance of the Aristotelian theory of matter, since the Council had couched the doctrine in Aristotelian terms. They felt that accepting a rival theory of matter, such as atomism, would trap one into denying the true presence.
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Almost 400 years or earth orbits have elapsed since the deaths Galileo and Johanes Kepler who was the first known astronomer in the history of archeo-astronomy to have not just believed that the earth may move around the sun but who PROVED IT !Although the Mayan astronomers like the Egyptian and Babylonian astronomers were quite impressive in some their observational skills and the early agricultural civilizations that fed and nourished their both their bodies and minds provided the affluence to devote their lives to nightly observations of stars ansd planets and record them for posterity as well as for practical applications in the agrarian culture they were part of so that they could help illiterate farmers know when it was time to planet their grains and beans and other essential crops,we have no reason to believe or proof,that any of them had
ever believed in in,much less proved and quantified the earth's orbit around the sun until the German Calvanist Protestant Johaness Kepler,who not only proved the planets of the solar system orbited the sun but that their orbits were not circular but eliptical and at points of the ellipses in which a planet was-is further from the sun the planet slows in speed and when the planets are closer to the sun in their elliptial orbits their excellerate in speed.
Also the fact that the Maya were among the only civilizations to independentally conceive of the concept of zero - a concept also attributed to the Hindues of India in the 'Old World',is another example of their free thinking at its best as well as their development of phonetic writing and of course the archtectiural as well as hydroolic and irrigation works and agricultrure abilities in general.However we shall get to their agricultural failure soon enough and how and why it applies to the pope's misconceptions about conception and science or agriculatural history.While the Mayan 13 Baktun will come to an end on December 21,2012 it will therefore be the beginning of 14 Baktun. Long before 14 Baktun comes to an end and regardless of other potential mainly human created environmental disasters that are increasing and may unfold before the nerxt 14 Baktun comes to an end - we will cetrtainly deplete outr reserves of mined fertilizers most particlualarly
Kepler's Laws
hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kepler.html
Johannes Kepler, working with data painstakingly collected by Tycho Brahe without the aid of a telescope, ... The eccentricity of an ellipse can be defined as the ratio of the distance ... Of the planetary orbits, only Pluto has a large eccentricity.Kepler's Laws
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Johannes Kepler, working with data painstakingly collected by Tycho Brahe without the aid of a telescope, ... The eccentricity of an ellipse can be defined as the ratio of the distance ... Of the planetary orbits, only Pluto has a large eccentricity.
(In my opinion the above statement is not entirely correct nor fair to Johanes Kepler.WhileTycho Brahe was in many ways a spoiled Swedish aristocrat who had a silver nose due to the fact his was cut off in a sword duel,Johanes Kepler came from humble origens and was lucky to have received a free education.Kepler did NOT just take Tycho Brahe's 'painstakingly collected' data - Johanes Kepler also and only by expressing much humility to this spoiled aristocrat ,who refused to accept planetary orbits,was able to make use of Tycho Brahe's astrolabe , that he himself did not own nor could afford,in order to calculate the movement of
planets for himself and of course for posteity and to prove what Galileo and Copernicus only guessed was thew case.)
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In personal communication with me Pope Benedict's Vatican astronomer, Argentine Rev.Jose Funes has acknowledged that ex Nazi soldier and ex head of the Catholic Church'S historic organ of the Inquisition Ratzinger,now known as Pope Benediuct XVI,is indeed full of it,although he didn't exactrly phrase it in exactly that manner.I had contacted him with a query regarding a message I had put into the hands of the Catholic Church's Pro Nunciate in the 1980's when he came to Monterey,California to promote the beatification of Junipero Serra.At the time I was unaware of his previous life in Argentina and that he himself had blood on his hands and colluded with the very pro U.S.and Iraeli Argentine Generals who had aided them in torture and drug trafficking in Central America in what would become known as Iran-Contra as well as sat silent while innocent and pregnant young women in Argentina accused of being 'communists' would be held as pregnant prisoners to be fattened for the birth in order to give their babies to elite far right military connected familes and then no longer useful 'baby machines' and having 'served their purpose' to be slaughtered and disappeared , often with their bodies disposed of by dropping from planes or helicopters into the Atlantic Ocean.
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Unfortunately the Pope's Pro Nunciate to Argentina and then Washington,D.C., Pio Laghi,was also a liar which I guess in retrospect was the least of his morla failings and according to Vatican astronomer Rev.Jose Funes,he neveer gave my message to Pope John Paul II even though I had told him my father was VERY Catholic and had actually died on December 8,1955 of a heart attack while attending mass at Our Lady of Grace Catholic Church in San Antonio,Texas on December 8,1955.......
To be continued
I met soil scientist Jans Jenny at UC Berkely in his office in the late 1970's to discuss my changes and modifications of Gainesville,Florida professor Howard Odum's energy flow diagrams to show nutrient flow and how soill depletion particularly of phosphaphates which FLORIDA PHOSPHATE MINING HAS BEEN THE CHIEF SOURCE FOR u.s.AND MUCH WORLD AGRICULAURE SINCE MINING BEGAN AT THE RND OF THE 19TH CENTRY.
Pope John Paul II may be gone but Pope Benedict XVI maintains a tradition of ignorance and human materialism that has no justification even in a literal interpretation of the Bible and only insures perpetual human ignorance and misery.
And this statement goes double for the fundamentalist protestants such as America's Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and their ilk, who have promoted human ignorance, hatred, and greed everyday of their worthless lives.
Pope's Stances Lack Scientific Basis
by Tony Ryals
The Daily Californian September 22, 1987
On Nov. 10, 1979, a meeting was held in Rome by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in honor of the 100th year anniversary of the birth of Albert Einstein. The meeting marked the first time in the history of the church, since the formation of its own science academy, that any pope had presided over such a session.
This meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences may well be more memorable for Pope John Paul II's statements regarding science, Galileo, and the church than for the honoring of the centenary of the birth of Einstein himself.
In discussing the case of Galileo and the church, Pope John Paul II addressed the academy as follows:
"Mr.President, you said very rightly that Galileo and Einstein each characterized an era. The greatness of Galileo is recognized by all, as is that of Einstein, but while today we honor the latter before the College of Cardinals in the apostolic palace, the former had to suffer much - we cannot deny it - from men and orgainzations within the church. The Vatican Council has recognized and deplored unwarranted interferences..."
Approximately one year after his Pontifical Academy of Science speech on Galileo, the pope, in criticizing what he termed "artificial" methods birth control, made a notable statement on modern agriculture, simultaneously. The pope stated:
"There are attacks on fecundity itself with means that human and Christian ethics must consider illicit... Instead of increasing the amount of bread on the table of a hungry humanity as a modern means of production can do today, there are thoughts of diminishing the number of those at the table through methods that are contrary to honesty. This is not worthy of civilization."
Now that the pope has pardoned Galileo for telling the church that the earth is in orbit around the sun, it is time to tell the pope that the other half of Aristotle's church-approved cosmology has also come unglued. The "Four Element" concept (earth, air, fire and water) was the other half of the Aristotelian Earth-centered universe adopted by St.Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century.
Although the Renaissance astronomers successfully challenged Aristotle's and the church's geocentric universe several centuries later, atoms still had not been discovered. For this reason the Four Elements remained intact and unchallenged long after the death of Galileo in 1642.
The discovery of atoms in the last couple of centuries has totally transformed our concept of elements. The former "elements", earth and air, are both composed of a variety of elements. We now know that even the ancient element "water" can be further divided into the elements of hydrogen and oxygen. And the element "fire" is now understood to be a form of radiation.
Justus Von Liebig, the 19th century father of agricultural chemistry, and other pioneering chemists did to Aristotle's Four Elements what the Renaissance astronomers did to Aristotle's concept of the Earth as the center of the universe - they overturned it!
Liebig first pointed out the for plants to utilize carbon dioxide in the air for growth, they must have adequate amounts of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium in their soil. Unfortunately, in popularizing the N,P,K concept of modern chemical agriculture, Liebig paved the way for overreliance upon energy-intensive fossil fuel consumption in the mining of phosphorus and potassium as well as in industrial production of nitrogen fertilizers.
We now know that for every orbit of the Earth around the sun - one year - the pope, each member of the Catholic Church, and everyone else on the planet consumes in their food and excretes from their bodies approximately two pounds of phosphorus and various quantities of nitrogen, calcium, potassium, iron, and other trace elements. All these elements generally go unrecycled, often into rivers and oceans or even municipal dumps, further enriching fertilizer industries (who will sell the farmers more for a price) at the expense of the Earth's non-renewable mineral nutrient resources.
When the remaining fossil fuels, particularly natural gas, are exhausted, only bacteria and blue-green algae utilizing phosphorus, potassium, and trace elements in "soil-culture" and "aqua-culture" will be likely candidates to fix atmospheric nitrogen for agricultural fertilization.
Both the trade of grains and the direct trade of phosphates speed the depletion of our limited reserves of phosphate rock in the United States, which comes mainly from mining operations in Florida. Deposits in Idaho are also being mined, at present, and Armand Hammer of Occidental Petroleum has eyed public land near Ojai, Calif. to strip-mine for phosphates.
We should realize the need to conserve our dwindling reserves of phosphates for future generations. The United States not long ago was a net exporter of petroleum, but now we are importers. The same situation could occur with phosphates if we refuse to learn from the past. Some researchers have suggested that we may become dependent upon yet a new OPEC (or Organization of Phosphate Exporting Countries), such as Morocco, with its relatively large rock phosphate reserves.
The U.S. General Accounting Office estimates that our reserves of phosphorus will be depleted some time in the next century. This will inevitably lead to a food and population crisis that will make our oil crisis seem minor by comparison.
The pope's apparent ignorance of science history and modern agricultural technology obscures from his vision the disastrous effects of his policy of unchecked population growth on future generations who will find "no food on the table" nor the resources with which to grow it. This ignorance also shows that the pope has no more expertise in the fields of agricultural science, population planning, or resoure management than the pope in Galileo's time did in the area of astronomy.
The nutrients that subsidize the life of the pope, and everyone on the planet, are a finite resource. Unless the pope realizes the seriousness of the linear flow of elements through himself and the rest of humanity, he shall be partly responsible for contributing to the collapse of modern agriculture.
To sum up, Pope John Paul II is as confused about the movement of atoms as the pope of Galileo's time was about the movement of the Earth and celestial bodies. Based upon the rate of depletion of chemical fertilizers, the present pope does not have 300 years to re-evaluate his view on modern agriculture and birth control. The question still remains as to why the Pontifical Academy of Sciences has not made this disastrous movement of atoms clear to the pope.
My father's obituaries
Clarence Anthony Ryals Dies In Church,Feast of Immaculate Conception,December 8,1955,Our Lady of Grace Catholic Church,San Antonio,Texas
I met soil scientist Jans Jenny at UC Berkely in his office in the late 1970's to discuss my changes and modifications of Gainesville,Florida professor Howard Odum's energy flow diagrams to show nutrient flow and how soill depletion particularly of phosphaphates which FLORIDA PHOSPHATE MINING HAS BEEN THE CHIEF SOURCE FOR u.s.AND MUCH WORLD AGRICULAURE SINCE MINING BEGAN AT THE RND OF THE 19TH CENTRY.
Pope's Misconceptions about conception and science history
The pope's apparent ignorance of science history and modern agricultural technology obscures from his vision the disastrous effects of his policy of unchecked population growth on future generations who will find "no food on the table" nor the resources with which to grow it. This ignorance also shows that the pope has no more expertise in the fields of agricultural science, population planning, or resoure management than the pope in Galileo's time did in the area of astronomy.
Pope John Paul II may be gone but Pope Benedict XVI maintains a tradition of ignorance and human materialism that has no justification even in a literal interpretation of the Bible and only insures perpetual human ignorance and misery.
And this statement goes double for the fundamentalist protestants such as America's Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and their ilk, who have promoted human ignorance, hatred, and greed everyday of their worthless lives.
Pope's Stances Lack Scientific Basis
by Tony Ryals
The Daily Californian September 22, 1987
On Nov. 10, 1979, a meeting was held in Rome by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in honor of the 100th year anniversary of the birth of Albert Einstein. The meeting marked the first time in the history of the church, since the formation of its own science academy, that any pope had presided over such a session.
This meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences may well be more memorable for Pope John Paul II's statements regarding science, Galileo, and the church than for the honoring of the centenary of the birth of Einstein himself.
In discussing the case of Galileo and the church, Pope John Paul II addressed the academy as follows:
"Mr.President, you said very rightly that Galileo and Einstein each characterized an era. The greatness of Galileo is recognized by all, as is that of Einstein, but while today we honor the latter before the College of Cardinals in the apostolic palace, the former had to suffer much - we cannot deny it - from men and orgainzations within the church. The Vatican Council has recognized and deplored unwarranted interferences..."
Approximately one year after his Pontifical Academy of Science speech on Galileo, the pope, in criticizing what he termed "artificial" methods birth control, made a notable statement on modern agriculture, simultaneously. The pope stated:
"There are attacks on fecundity itself with means that human and Christian ethics must consider illicit... Instead of increasing the amount of bread on the table of a hungry humanity as a modern means of production can do today, there are thoughts of diminishing the number of those at the table through methods that are contrary to honesty. This is not worthy of civilization."
Now that the pope has pardoned Galileo for telling the church that the earth is in orbit around the sun, it is time to tell the pope that the other half of Aristotle's church-approved cosmology has also come unglued. The "Four Element" concept (earth, air, fire and water) was the other half of the Aristotelian Earth-centered universe adopted by St.Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century.
Although the Renaissance astronomers successfully challenged Aristotle's and the church's geocentric universe several centuries later, atoms still had not been discovered. For this reason the Four Elements remained intact and unchallenged long after the death of Galileo in 1642.
The discovery of atoms in the last couple of centuries has totally transformed our concept of elements. The former "elements", earth and air, are both composed of a variety of elements. We now know that even the ancient element "water" can be further divided into the elements of hydrogen and oxygen. And the element "fire" is now understood to be a form of radiation.
Justus Von Liebig, the 19th century father of agricultural chemistry, and other pioneering chemists did to Aristotle's Four Elements what the Renaissance astronomers did to Aristotle's concept of the Earth as the center of the universe - they overturned it!
Liebig first pointed out the for plants to utilize carbon dioxide in the air for growth, they must have adequate amounts of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium in their soil. Unfortunately, in popularizing the N,P,K concept of modern chemical agriculture, Liebig paved the way for overreliance upon energy-intensive fossil fuel consumption in the mining of phosphorus and potassium as well as in industrial production of nitrogen fertilizers.
We now know that for every orbit of the Earth around the sun - one year - the pope, each member of the Catholic Church, and everyone else on the planet consumes in their food and excretes from their bodies approximately two pounds of phosphorus and various quantities of nitrogen, calcium, potassium, iron, and other trace elements. All these elements generally go unrecycled, often into rivers and oceans or even municipal dumps, further enriching fertilizer industries (who will sell the farmers more for a price) at the expense of the Earth's non-renewable mineral nutrient resources.
When the remaining fossil fuels, particularly natural gas, are exhausted, only bacteria and blue-green algae utilizing phosphorus, potassium, and trace elements in "soil-culture" and "aqua-culture" will be likely candidates to fix atmospheric nitrogen for agricultural fertilization.
Both the trade of grains and the direct trade of phosphates speed the depletion of our limited reserves of phosphate rock in the United States, which comes mainly from mining operations in Florida. Deposits in Idaho are also being mined, at present, and Armand Hammer of Occidental Petroleum has eyed public land near Ojai, Calif. to strip-mine for phosphates.
We should realize the need to conserve our dwindling reserves of phosphates for future generations. The United States not long ago was a net exporter of petroleum, but now we are importers. The same situation could occur with phosphates if we refuse to learn from the past. Some researchers have suggested that we may become dependent upon yet a new OPEC (or Organization of Phosphate Exporting Countries), such as Morocco, with its relatively large rock phosphate reserves.
The U.S. General Accounting Office estimates that our reserves of phosphorus will be depleted some time in the next century. This will inevitably lead to a food and population crisis that will make our oil crisis seem minor by comparison.
The pope's apparent ignorance of science history and modern agricultural technology obscures from his vision the disastrous effects of his policy of unchecked population growth on future generations who will find "no food on the table" nor the resources with which to grow it. This ignorance also shows that the pope has no more expertise in the fields of agricultural science, population planning, or resoure management than the pope in Galileo's time did in the area of astronomy.
The nutrients that subsidize the life of the pope, and everyone on the planet, are a finite resource. Unless the pope realizes the seriousness of the linear flow of elements through himself and the rest of humanity, he shall be partly responsible for contributing to the collapse of modern agriculture.
To sum up, Pope John Paul II is as confused about the movement of atoms as the pope of Galileo's time was about the movement of the Earth and celestial bodies. Based upon the rate of depletion of chemical fertilizers, the present pope does not have 300 years to re-evaluate his view on modern agriculture and birth control. The question still remains as to why the Pontifical Academy of Sciences has not made this disastrous movement of atoms clear to the pope.
My father's obituaries
Clarence Anthony Ryals Dies In Church,Feast of Immaculate Conception,December 8,1955,Our Lady of Grace Catholic Church,San Antonio,Texas
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